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		<title>By: lelamal</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>lelamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; @lelamel

@fader: actually, that would be &quot;lelamal&quot;, but I guess that&#039;s OK anyway.

&gt; Do you really want a press release for every single minor change in text 
ever?

I never talked about a press release, but a blog post would have been nice and 
shown a communicative attitude for the benefit of the whole community on which 
Ubuntu - AND Canonical - thrive.

&gt; How you go from a change in the description of a CD to &quot;OMG Canonical plans 
to destroy GNOME and Debian and take credit for inventing electricity!&quot; is 
beyond me. Try taking a breath, calming down, and not immediately assuming 
evil intent behind every change.

I&#039;m breathing normally, here, and have been calm all the time. It is not a 
change relating to &quot;a CD&quot;, as I&#039;ve already explained extensively (please, read 
my previous posts). The way you put it in quotes shows a hysteric behavior my 
previous posts were clearly missing. Since you wonder, I&#039;ll give you another 
clue as to how I said what I said about Canonical&#039;s ongoing semi-fork of 
GNOME. The change that you deem irrelevant is just the tip of an iceberg that, 
recently, is threatening to reveal itself in all its majesty. In case you 
missed them, these exchanges might be illuminating:

http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/red-hat-16-canonical-1/
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439
http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/its-not-about-tribalism-mark/

Don&#039;t read just the blogger&#039;s posts, but go deep into the comments to identify 
the underlying sentiment I was talking about here.

&gt; Incidentally, I’m running maverick and have &quot;About GNOME&quot; under the System 
menu, just as it’s always been. If Canonical is trying to destroy GNOME and 
hide the evidence, strange that they’re still making that ‘about’ information 
easily visible.

Never talked about &quot;destroy&quot;. Actually, my reasoning was a bit more elaborated 
that &quot;destroy&quot;. And, yeah, I had that too. My point was about the change 
occurred; what has not changed (yet), instead, doesn&#039;t prove much, does it? 
And by the way, we&#039;ll see how long will that one last, too. We&#039;re still at 
Alpha 3...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; @lelamel</p>
<p>@fader: actually, that would be &#8220;lelamal&#8221;, but I guess that&#8217;s OK anyway.</p>
<p>&gt; Do you really want a press release for every single minor change in text<br />
ever?</p>
<p>I never talked about a press release, but a blog post would have been nice and<br />
shown a communicative attitude for the benefit of the whole community on which<br />
Ubuntu &#8211; AND Canonical &#8211; thrive.</p>
<p>&gt; How you go from a change in the description of a CD to &#8220;OMG Canonical plans<br />
to destroy GNOME and Debian and take credit for inventing electricity!&#8221; is<br />
beyond me. Try taking a breath, calming down, and not immediately assuming<br />
evil intent behind every change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m breathing normally, here, and have been calm all the time. It is not a<br />
change relating to &#8220;a CD&#8221;, as I&#8217;ve already explained extensively (please, read<br />
my previous posts). The way you put it in quotes shows a hysteric behavior my<br />
previous posts were clearly missing. Since you wonder, I&#8217;ll give you another<br />
clue as to how I said what I said about Canonical&#8217;s ongoing semi-fork of<br />
GNOME. The change that you deem irrelevant is just the tip of an iceberg that,<br />
recently, is threatening to reveal itself in all its majesty. In case you<br />
missed them, these exchanges might be illuminating:</p>
<p><a href="http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/red-hat-16-canonical-1/" rel="nofollow">http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/red-hat-16-canonical-1/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439" rel="nofollow">http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439</a><br />
<a href="http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/its-not-about-tribalism-mark/" rel="nofollow">http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/its-not-about-tribalism-mark/</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t read just the blogger&#8217;s posts, but go deep into the comments to identify<br />
the underlying sentiment I was talking about here.</p>
<p>&gt; Incidentally, I’m running maverick and have &#8220;About GNOME&#8221; under the System<br />
menu, just as it’s always been. If Canonical is trying to destroy GNOME and<br />
hide the evidence, strange that they’re still making that ‘about’ information<br />
easily visible.</p>
<p>Never talked about &#8220;destroy&#8221;. Actually, my reasoning was a bit more elaborated<br />
that &#8220;destroy&#8221;. And, yeah, I had that too. My point was about the change<br />
occurred; what has not changed (yet), instead, doesn&#8217;t prove much, does it?<br />
And by the way, we&#8217;ll see how long will that one last, too. We&#8217;re still at<br />
Alpha 3&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fader</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>fader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lelamel: &quot;A sudden change none bothered announcing, nor explaining for that matter.&quot; -- Do you really want a press release for every single minor change in text ever?  How you go from a change in the description of a CD to &quot;OMG Canonical plans to destroy GNOME and Debian and take credit for inventing electricity!&quot; is beyond me.  Try taking a breath, calming down, and not immediately assuming evil intent behind every change.

Incidentally, I&#039;m running maverick and have &quot;About GNOME&quot; under the System menu, just as it&#039;s always been.  If Canonical is trying to destroy GNOME and hide the evidence, strange that they&#039;re still making that &#039;about&#039; information easily visible.

(PS: I don&#039;t notice &quot;GNOME&quot; anywhere on the default Fedora, Gentoo, or Debian login screens, either.  This conspiracy goes deeper than we thought!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lelamel: &#8220;A sudden change none bothered announcing, nor explaining for that matter.&#8221; &#8212; Do you really want a press release for every single minor change in text ever?  How you go from a change in the description of a CD to &#8220;OMG Canonical plans to destroy GNOME and Debian and take credit for inventing electricity!&#8221; is beyond me.  Try taking a breath, calming down, and not immediately assuming evil intent behind every change.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;m running maverick and have &#8220;About GNOME&#8221; under the System menu, just as it&#8217;s always been.  If Canonical is trying to destroy GNOME and hide the evidence, strange that they&#8217;re still making that &#8216;about&#8217; information easily visible.</p>
<p>(PS: I don&#8217;t notice &#8220;GNOME&#8221; anywhere on the default Fedora, Gentoo, or Debian login screens, either.  This conspiracy goes deeper than we thought!)</p>
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		<title>By: lelamal</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1858</link>
		<dc:creator>lelamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stapel: GNOME meant something to me, and to those users who installed alternative DEs intentionally. What doesn&#039;t mean anything to me is &quot;Ubuntu Desktop Edition&quot;, the first time I saw it I was puzzled. A sudden change none bothered announcing, nor explaining for that matter. But Canonical is having us used to such attitude, so no one complains anymore, and everyone guesses. What&#039;s sinister, in my view, is users&#039; attitude in belittling every Canonical&#039;s unacceptable behavior. We are losing are criticism, and are becoming no better than Apple&#039;s fan-boys.

@Akshat: it wasn&#039;t in Lucid as well (or Karmic, or...) but I can still see it called GNOME on the current LTS. What&#039;s next? Should we expect to see any reference to Debian removed as well, to give new users the idea Ubuntu grew up from its on seed, like a strange self-pollinating exotic plant? The point is not to remind me where to install vanilla GNOME from, the point is to remove any reference to &quot;the core desktop element of Ubuntu&quot; from the login screen for the &quot;benefit&quot; of new users.

Are they planning to fork GNOME, or better still, are they planning to keep forking GNOME and give it the final blow? Is that the reason why we didn&#039;t see any effort to adjust any of the latest developments in design and usability to the next version of GNOME? Not acknowledging its evolution and removing its name from login screen without a word, leaves little space to different explanations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stapel: GNOME meant something to me, and to those users who installed alternative DEs intentionally. What doesn&#8217;t mean anything to me is &#8220;Ubuntu Desktop Edition&#8221;, the first time I saw it I was puzzled. A sudden change none bothered announcing, nor explaining for that matter. But Canonical is having us used to such attitude, so no one complains anymore, and everyone guesses. What&#8217;s sinister, in my view, is users&#8217; attitude in belittling every Canonical&#8217;s unacceptable behavior. We are losing are criticism, and are becoming no better than Apple&#8217;s fan-boys.</p>
<p>@Akshat: it wasn&#8217;t in Lucid as well (or Karmic, or&#8230;) but I can still see it called GNOME on the current LTS. What&#8217;s next? Should we expect to see any reference to Debian removed as well, to give new users the idea Ubuntu grew up from its on seed, like a strange self-pollinating exotic plant? The point is not to remind me where to install vanilla GNOME from, the point is to remove any reference to &#8220;the core desktop element of Ubuntu&#8221; from the login screen for the &#8220;benefit&#8221; of new users.</p>
<p>Are they planning to fork GNOME, or better still, are they planning to keep forking GNOME and give it the final blow? Is that the reason why we didn&#8217;t see any effort to adjust any of the latest developments in design and usability to the next version of GNOME? Not acknowledging its evolution and removing its name from login screen without a word, leaves little space to different explanations.</p>
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		<title>By: Akshat Jain</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>Akshat Jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lelamal The Default DE in ubuntu is not vanilla GNOME,however you can install vanilla gnome from the repos I believe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lelamal The Default DE in ubuntu is not vanilla GNOME,however you can install vanilla gnome from the repos I believe</p>
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		<title>By: stapel</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>stapel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lelamal To a lot of users the word Gnome means nothing. I am sure there is nothing sinister about it. A Gnome login option will not help them make their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lelamal To a lot of users the word Gnome means nothing. I am sure there is nothing sinister about it. A Gnome login option will not help them make their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivanka Majic</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivanka Majic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonathan: Nice of you to say so! Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan: Nice of you to say so! Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Carter</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1846</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ivanka! Thanks for keeping this blog going, it&#039;s nice to get frequent updates on what the design team is doing, I think more Ubuntu teams should do this. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ivanka! Thanks for keeping this blog going, it&#8217;s nice to get frequent updates on what the design team is doing, I think more Ubuntu teams should do this. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: lelamal</title>
		<link>http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/guadec-day-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>lelamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;GNOME, for those of you who don’t know is the core desktop element of Ubuntu.&quot;

Oh, thanks for clarifying. It must be for this reason that Maverick login screen now shows &quot;Ubuntu Desktop Edition&quot; rather than the classic &quot;GNOME&quot;, among the available DEs. It makes me think of Mark &quot;Eddie Vedder&quot; Shuttleworth singing: &quot;It&#039;s evolution, baby!&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;GNOME, for those of you who don’t know is the core desktop element of Ubuntu.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, thanks for clarifying. It must be for this reason that Maverick login screen now shows &#8220;Ubuntu Desktop Edition&#8221; rather than the classic &#8220;GNOME&#8221;, among the available DEs. It makes me think of Mark &#8220;Eddie Vedder&#8221; Shuttleworth singing: &#8220;It&#8217;s evolution, baby!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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